Designing a Worship Space at Home with Amber Brandt | Doing + Being Church in COVID

Life right now can feel like a blur. Days turn into weeks and now months later, we’re staring at our same 4 walls at home feeling overwhelmed. It’s hard to worship in a space that also functions for work, school, relaxing, cooking, cleaning, and a million other things. But today, we’re talking with Amber Brandt who is going to give you not just tips to create a space for worship physically but also mentally. 

Amber Brandt is a StoryBrand certified copywriter, speaker, and an IAPO certified interior decorator known as The Coziness Consultant. Amber works with people from all walks of life to create spaces that are beautiful, cozy, and most importantly, aligned with their values. She believes our homes should help us live our best lives. Amber lives in Grand Rapids, MI with her husband Kyle and daughter Winslow.

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Kate Boyd: 0:16

life right now can feel like a biller, am I right? days have turned into weeks. And now months later, we're staring at our same four walls at home, feeling overwhelmed, and I get it. And that makes it really hard to worship in a space that also functions for work, school relaxing, cooking, cleaning, and probably a million other things. I'll give you a moment to insert yours here. Great. But today we are talking with my new friend amber Brandt. And she is going to give us some tips to create a space for worship in our homes, physically, but also mentally, and some bonus tips on how to keep your kids focused or get them involved to welcome to the happy unholy podcast. This is a podcast about creating biblical community with intimacy and integrity. Wherever you find yourself in location or in life. I'm your host, Kate Boyd. And I'm so glad that you are here with me and listening to this conversation with Amber. Now amber Brant a little bit more about her. It's a stories story brand certified copywriter, speaker and an i A p o certified interior decorator. And she calls herself the coziness consultant. Amber works with people from all walks of life to create spaces that are beautiful, cozy and most importantly aligned with their values. She believes our homes should help us live our best lives. Amber lives in Grand Rapids, Michigan or their husband, Kyle and daughter Winslow, and I think you will really enjoy some of the suggestions that she has in this conversation. I'm also just to note, some of the audio got a little sketchy because you know, internet, zoom all of those things. And but I think you will still it's only in a couple of places. And you'll still be able to enjoy the conversation and get lots of good ideas. So let's dive in. Welcome, Amber, thanks so much for joining me.

Amber Brandt: 2:31

Thanks for having me.

Kate Boyd: 2:33

I am really excited about this conversation. Because I know that this is something I struggled with early on in pandemic times. Because we, my husband and I were both living and working at home. And we had some other people who were with us in that time. And so it was like a very hectic thing, to, to have everything and I had like some anxiety about going anywhere out in the world. So it was like, I'm not leaving, I've got to be here and I've got to do things. Um, and so it can be really challenging. And what I've heard from some of my listeners, and people who follow me is, is that they're having troubles, sort of like, because everything that they're doing today is in one space. They're having trouble sort of shifting. And I'm curious from some of like, you working with people to sort of make their space more homey or, or cozy as you would say, um, you know, what are some of the things that that may be in our homes or even that you can think of they're happening now that are keeping people from feeling what they want or need to feel as they go into worship, even in their homes?

Amber Brandt: 3:50

Well, I think something that I run into a lot with clients is, you know, a specific space in their house, they don't feel is working, they have, you know, a mudroom, that's just always a mess. And kid shoes are everywhere. And they don't have good systems in place, and they kind of resent that area. But one of the first things that we end up talking about his, okay, so let's just talk about the season of life that you're in to some degree, you're just going to have muddy boots, like there are there are just some limitations. And your capability is has to kind of find a way to bend and grow and live within those limitations. And part of it is just accepting. This is the season of life that I'm in. Yeah, and I think I think that that I feel that in this too.

Kate Boyd: 4:44

Yeah, I was about to say I think that's so that's actually really poignant because I feel like we sort of I don't think we expected online church to feel like, like our church experience. Um, but maybe a lot of people are feeling disappointed in how, unlike our church experience, and maybe feeling and so it's almost like because of the season, the expectation was off, you know?

Amber Brandt: 5:14

Well, and or people still resent that they have to tune tune in that way at all that they can't let go, or they resent, I mean, people still resent, you know, they have to wear a mask in a public place, you know that there's an element of just accepting this is our current reality, this is the season that we're in, these are the limitations that we're in. So let's find a way to live better, and in this case, right, like worship better, and connect with the Lord and connect with each other in community in a way that we can do in a life giving way within these limitations. Because the longer we fight that, the more we're going to feel that frustration, you know, like the mom who just doesn't want to, except that, that room is just probably going to be messy for a few years. And let's try to create systems to help it be as functional and as enjoyable or less frustrating as possible with in that constraint. I think, you know, one thing when, when I, when we first connected and started talking about this, one of the first things that came to my mind was the idea of Sabbath, that, you know, in the Jewish tradition, it became holy, because it was thought apart in because they called it holy. And I think, I think there's, there's an invitation, in that, for us to that, it's easy to just be I know, I've done it on Sunday mornings, where I'm like this today, Saturday, oh, it's Sunday, oh, it's almost 10 quick flip on the computer, you know, and I haven't created space, or practice intention, or set that time apart and called it holy. And what I've brought to it is a really messy version of myself, and unprepared version of myself. And so, you know, as I was thinking about this, even just in addition to designing the space, right, it's blocking out the time, it's a rep, adjusting our behavior and our practices coming into it. And then actually designating a special physical space, so that we can make it sacred so that it feels like it's set apart, or that it's different from all other time. That's, you know, just kind of going,

Kate Boyd: 7:37

Yeah, it's so interesting, too, because I think in that way, we're seeing like this, the spiritual and the physical are mirroring each other, right? Like we're not, and because everything in our home and our like, I never know what day like I have to look at the calendar constantly just to even know, what I'm supposed to be doing, and who I'm supposed to be meeting or talking to, or whatever. And so all that's blurred together. And so when we don't have, yeah, when, when everything sort of feels that way. In our reality, it sort of becomes like, Yeah, I just really like that connection of connecting, like setting aside not just the physical time, but the physical space. And, and the intention around that, because I think that's so important, especially now, when everything feels like it blurs together.

Amber Brandt: 8:32

And I think too, because, you know, we lost, you know, for some, it's like, you were getting up and putting on special clothes and you know, doing your hair a certain way. And you know, and you dress your children a certain way, and you go and not everybody does that. But I'm just saying that there's like some personality to getting up and getting in the car and going somewhere, and interacting with people. And with all of that stripped away, and now we're living working, doing school at home, worshiping, you know, exercising all of those things like in the same place right with it is completely blurred. And so designating it and calling it Sabbath calling that space sacred and making space for it is going to require some intention and some planning ahead. Yeah.

Kate Boyd: 9:25

So if we're talking about actually designating a space and or setting it up, you know, on Sunday, or whenever we worship, what are some things that or maybe you've got some questions that people can think through as they try to prepare a physical space for their time of worship.

Amber Brandt: 9:48

I think I think there's a really personal part of it. It's the same you know, when I work with clients in their homes, I'm always trying to get after their their values for them selves and for their family and what what is the family culture that they want in their home? How do they want their home to feel what gives them life. And so I think, you know, I thought through some specific, you know, tactical things that you can do to create a physical space, but I think it's also kind of thinking through all of these options to say, maybe I can't do all of this, but this is what resonates with me, and it feels life giving. And this feels like I have the capacity to do this. And they actually would look forward to this time on Sunday, if I incorporated these handful of things. And so as I was kind of thinking through all of those, like physical elements, I just was really thinking about our senses, and how each of these things kind of touches on, you know, bringing a kind of sensory tactical experience to them that worship time together. And that's kind of how, like, some of these, like, suggestions sort of came out. Yeah, I like that. So yeah, so like, first let's talk about seeing. So what are things that you would like to see in the space? Well, first off, you know, if you're going to have an area that you are trying to focus and listen and hear and respond, you want as few distractions as possible. So obviously, no clutter, you know, no, no things that you look at them, and you start doing a to do list in your mind, you know, you want to remove things, anything that doesn't belong in that space. And then bring in What does you know, is it are you do you feel connected to God around like crackling player with your family, where you're all bundled up and your blankets? And, you know, do you actually feel closer to God, when you go for a walk in nature? Like, can you bring some of outside in is it that you really connect on Sunday morning, through like liturgy, and, you know, stained glass and lighting of candles, like maybe, you know, just quietly, you know, as a family or as an individual, you get into a ritual or habit, or like Lighting a candle before you know, you start anything, just taking time to quiet yourself and making it into a practice. Yeah. And then taste, I was talking with a friend this week, and they, they have their, they just started physical services back. But every Sunday that they were home, they created a charcuterie or snack board, that they they let their kids help and they are over charcuterie. They got all of the snacks that they wanted. But she did it strategically, so that they could put it on the, you know, automated the coffee table. And while they're watching the laptop, they're all just kind of mindlessly snacking. And she said it kept her kids attention that they require, and they were interested and they were just, you know, picking in it, and it made it busy for their hands. But also, it was something that they looked forward to assembling and it was also part of preparation coming into, you know, that space, it's something that they created ahead of time to bring for that special, you know, moment to share. I think for me, you know, I enjoy having my coffee there as a ritual, you know, name you know, are you are you having breakfast beforehand? Are you planning a special brunch after like, all the ways that you know, that food can help take the A environment, I think it's important to, again, the candle or on the therapy, if you have lunch, cooking in the kitchen, you know, I think just just cultivating an awareness with these senses of what the space feels like. miles like, you know, because anything that is unwelcome just completely takes you out of the moment. So as much as you can control all of these elements and set them up, you know for success, then you're gonna have a better chance of engaging with the message engaging with each other, engaging with your own heart. silently, you know, with the Lord. I think to what you hear, like, are you cultivating mindfulness like do you have worship music on through the morning while you're preparing? Do you Are you listening to a podcast, just silence, meditation, mindfulness, anything kind of coming into it? One thing I was thinking about with our daughter is before the adult service, there's a half hour that's kids church, and she dances and sings through that whole thing and get their wiggles out. And by the time our Service starts, you know, she's much more likely to climb up on the couch with us and snuggle in and be less distracted and less busy. And so again, sometimes maybe it's the sound you hear beforehand, you know, enjoying that time together and getting that energy out so that you're ready, you know, to sit down together. I think the thing with that, too, is, you know, is it worth creating some rules around? Whether you're using devices that morning? or not, you know, any sort of distraction? Can you create a rule around that? If that helps you, headspace to be clear and more prepared and less distracted? And then finally, touch, you know, like, do you want to be wrapped in a cozy blanket? Do slippers, you know, do the trick for you? blankets, pillows. One thing I was thinking about, too is like the small kids, you could build a fort, even, you know, and actually create like a physical cozy space, where it's fun to all snuggle in together, and then distance the thing we're doing together? Or are there other elements you could incorporate? That will make it a special time. A few years ago, for Thanksgiving, we was before we had our daughter, it was just my husband and I and I invited my parents and it was just the four of us. And it was one of the smaller holiday meals of my life. And I got this weird whim to make hats on a construction paper. And so we all wear these silly like, Turkey hats. And you know, and I made everyone wear it at the table. And it's like, that's Thanksgiving, I remember, you know, from the last handful of years. And so I think if there's anything even tactile or something you can touch or make, or a craft or an activity or something even coming into, that's packed all of that makes it special, or makes it fun or makes it memorable. Work for adults and kids alike.

Kate Boyd: 16:57

Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm not above building a fort in my living room to watch and service. Now I hear all of this stuff. And then I can hear people saying, Oh my gosh, I don't need 10 other things on my list in order to pull up in front of my TV that's casting, you know, our service. How do you suggest people prioritize because, and because I also know not just because it feels maybe this may be overwhelming, but also that we want to have the best space possible as we do these things. And so we think about that, and then we get disappointed that we're not able to accomplish all the things that we want to either. So what are some of your suggestions for like, picking and choosing and filtering, which things you know, are most important to yourself, when you're when you're setting up the space?

Amber Brandt: 17:54

Um, I think you can come at it two different ways. So one way, right, it's like, if you're feeling already really stressed and spread really thin, and like I don't have the time to go to the grocery store and buy extra XYZ. Maybe go with what is easy, what is the lowest threshold that you can get the biggest impact if all it is is this Sunday, instead of sitting on the couch, we're going to put all the couch cushions on the floor, and we're going to pile there. And let's just try it and it will be memorable and special, indifferent. You know, if if all it is is picking one thing that's really manageable, but it makes something special, something that marks the moment, something that's memorable. That even creates like a sense of belonging in that moment. something out of the ordinary, that's enough. But if you have a little more capacity, it's kind of right, leaning into that intention and leaning into some of that value based thinking, you know, so for instance, when I come in, you know, and I'm working with a client, I always ask them, What do you like to do? What do you enjoy doing? Or what is the thing you really love to do that you don't make space for right now in your life? And you know, oh, well, we used to play games a lot on Friday nights together as a family or we used to do this or when I was single I used to do this thing and this was really life giving. I think if you can identify in other areas of your life, things that are life giving and energizing to you are things that feel special or even indulgent to you and find a way to incorporate that thing. You know, all of those are going to make you feel more connected, but also help to create that space that even small efforts that we take. You know for me, it's like I love to host in my home so even the smallest thing of getting like a new salt and pepper shaker that I really Love when I put it on the table, and I'm serving a meal around it, somehow, that little thing gives me this, like, big, you know, fulfillment, because I'm excited about it. And it's like, oh, I picked that out special. And I was envisioning nights like this where we all gather around the table. I think it's identifying whatever his life giving to you, and finding a way to incorporate that, whether that's just in your, from your everyday life things like loving the charcuterie board or thinking, you know what, we haven't just all laughed really hard and made a fort and rolled around on the floor for a while. And let's do that before we sit down to the laptop this Sunday. But I think you could think about it from your life, you can also think about it from traditional church, what are the things about showing up on a Sunday? Or showing up to a small group or your community? What are the specific Can you name? What was really specific and lifegiving? about those moments together? And is there a way that you can recreate that even a lesser version, you know, in within the restraint constraints that we're in? Can you find a way to emulate that, even on a small scale in your home? Yeah,

Kate Boyd: 21:16

I love that. Because I think sometimes we feel like it's, and I think this is even sort of a symptom of our times to where we feel like it's an all or nothing, or we're all on one side, or we're all on the other side. And there's a lot there's so much in between space that we can have. And I also love that you talked about, you know, like, try something, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't like, it's okay, we'll figure it out. Like, how do

Unknown: 21:42

you play? Yeah, right.

Amber Brandt: 21:46

You try something else next week? Yeah. Yeah. And you know, and maybe it's a combination of those things. Maybe it's like, you know, maybe you identify when we sit down, it's actually okay. But it's really hectic leading up to those moments where we sit down, you know, and so maybe it is, let's go for a family walk for 20 minutes, let's time it so that we get home, I can brew my coffee, and then we sit down, you know, when you take that family walk together, or you do a little dance party, or, you know, maybe part of it is front loading, you know, the the time for success, not just what is the actual physical space, like, but how are we coming into it,

Kate Boyd: 22:24

too, I think that's good, because I think sometimes we're like, oh, that didn't work. So we throw it out. But we don't think about why it didn't work, and then tweak from there. Whereas we can just be like, Oh, well, that didn't work. Because you know, so and so didn't get up or it felt kind of crazy, like you said, and you can actually like, if you just shift a little bit or try to tweak a little bit, you can actually like create that. And, you know, a better idea.

Amber Brandt: 22:52

And I think, you know, kind of holding it loosely, you know, like, that's part of the like, acknowledging that we do have these constraints. And this is not ideal. And this is not our first choice, we have these limitations, you know, part of it is saying, I can't do everything, it isn't going to feel like it used to feel, but let's make it the best we can in the limitations we have right now and find a way to actually really thrive and enjoy it. Because even if it doesn't feel like it now, my gut is that five years down the road, we're going to say, that was a really unique time. Like, I don't ever want to do that again. But there are things about that, that were really special like that one morning, we tried x, y, z, you know,

Kate Boyd: 23:38

yeah, and I think too, it's sort of our way of, and I talk about this a lot, because I think we think of church as that Sunday morning, where we worship service, but also a place that we go to do that worship service. And that's where we meet our people. And, you know, the New Testament definition of church is often in homes and families and households. And so to sort of like allow ourselves to connect with that history, and then even own that, even though it's being facilitated by an online worship, service, like we are having church, we're doing church, we're being church in those moments. And so even just sort of like switching into that mindset can help it be extra special. And, you know, as as a way that and I shouldn't even say connect to the early church, there's a lot of believers around the world that are doing that very thing, you know, for their worship. And so, it's really an a nice way to sort of share an experience as a Family or Household or a few friends that and like you said, can be really special. If we allow it to be special, and both now and in the future.

Amber Brandt: 24:55

And you know, maybe the best answer is, you know, closing the laptop on ones Sunday, maybe it's that you, you know, you have resources within your own home, if you you know, if you have a spouse or you have children, or like you said, if you're a single person, but you're meeting with like, a small pot of people, like, talk to each other, like, gosh, what is it that you really miss? Is there a way that we can do that together? Can we figure out a way? You know, like, what was your favorite part about, you know, the end? Let's do that thing. You know, I think sometimes with kids especially like, as a parent, you know, we think we're the ones that have to craft the experience, and we're the ones that have to, you know, bring everything to it. But, you know, asking your kids and, and, and your spouse and like, you know, what do you think would be fun? What do you think would be meaningful, you know, and coming up with ideas, you might be surprised what comes out of your people to?

Kate Boyd: 25:53

Yeah, I always, that's something I'm not very good at, I'm very much an internal processor. And I'm always just trying to, like, create a system to fix the problem. And then I just tell everyone what the problem and the system was. But, you know, anytime I asked for input, or we come together, and we've figured things out, together, I'm always surprised at how much better like, it turns out than if it was just me, mine would be fine. But it's better and more people have a stake in it, too. So it's also a way of

Unknown: 26:25

like,

Kate Boyd: 26:26

they also take ownership of the worshipful space that you're creating.

Amber Brandt: 26:32

And, and, you know, maybe if kids are old enough, maybe it's everybody gets assigned their little part to bring or, you know, their little thing to own. So that they, you know, have some skin in the game too. And, you know, there's a Bailey said that when you invite kids to help you cook, right, they're more likely to eat this thing, because they saw how it was made. And they were part of it, and there was some sort of belonging and meaning wrapped up in that for them, too. So crowdsourcing from the people that you have, you know, I think, could be really valuable.

Unknown: 27:04

Totally.

Kate Boyd: 27:06

So as we continue this, for however long, we're in this, do you think that people, um, and maybe this isn't an either or? Because I don't think it is. But, um, is it maybe more beneficial from like to, like, ritualize? And have something that sort of the same, throughout or to, you know, continually experiment and play and have new things all the time? Or is it like, how do you find a balance between those two so that you don't drive yourself crazy in the process?

Amber Brandt: 27:46

I think starting small, because I think it's hard to know, you know, until you're until you're really in it again, this goes back to your capacity, you know, if your capacity is that, you know, I have the energy to also put jelly on my toast instead of just butter. You know, like, you know, sometimes it's, you know, and I think if you try to do too much too soon, maybe you exhaust yourself, you know, maybe it's just starting to move the needle a little bit by saying, you know, what, this week, let's try, you know, like, like I said, with the cushions, or let's just do the charcuterie board, or let's get up and make a big breakfast together. And then we all go together to the living room and sit down. And, you know, maybe it is just starting small, and then what sticks, you can repeat, and what doesn't, you can lock, you know, through your hands, if you want to keep trying different things you can, but sometimes just incorporating even just one special thing that mark fit and make that holy, that feels right for you, you know, is enough.

Unknown: 28:52

Yeah.

Kate Boyd: 28:54

And are there any things that you have done or that you like? What are some of the things that maybe you would put in a space if you were setting aside like something brand new for you?

Amber Brandt: 29:08

for this? Um, I think one thing that we found to be really helpful, so it's my husband and I, and then we just have our three year old daughter, she's three and a half. And one thing that has made a huge difference is she a couple weeks ago during the worship portion, because we were doing virtual online church. She found some she had little news, bulletins. And so as a family, we incorporated that today. I'm not just listening to, but it was like an activity that we all did together that made it really fun and I still was able to be in that moment and enjoy that we were doing church as a family. And that was a good kind of energy burner. Again, by the time the message started, she was ready. To sit down and snuggle in, for me that the repeatable thing has been having my coffee, and we pile on to onto the sectional and it's all pillows and blankets. And I think for me, I've just been also trying to focus even at the very beginning of the messages, I'm sitting there, you know, I have been closing my eyes and taking a few deep breaths, and just allowing myself to kind of melt into that moment, be there not resent that I'm not somewhere else, not think about the, you know, 12 things I have to do when the service is over, and just focus on my breathing and my listening and allow myself to be really, really present.

Kate Boyd: 30:45

Yeah, I think that's good, cuz it sort of ties back to what we're talking about before, it's not just setting aside a physical space, it's setting aside the mental space and emotional space and the time on our calendar to actually sit and sink in and do those things. And the more we do one, the more work, we open ourselves to be able to do the other two.

Amber Brandt: 31:08

And I think I think part of that too, right? Why that that has been particularly meaningful to me is the trap that I've been in, is not preparing ahead of time, my, the trap I've been falling into is I'm like, oh, shoot, it's two minutes to 10 runs, you know, and and I'm like, grabbing the charger in my computer and running to the other room. And, you know, and so for me, it hasn't been so distracting, you know, the actual like, sitting together and the worship part. And the message part, I've gotten a lot of out of that my weakness where I have not called the space holy is my mindset and my prep building up to it, the front loading. And other people, you know, may already have a rule that they don't use, you know, laptops and cell phones in the morning or whatever. You know, and so that's an area that I have to be more attentive and more purposeful and intentional about maybe for other people it is the during, you know, yeah.

Kate Boyd: 32:10

Yeah, I think for me, it's, well, it's probably a little bit of both like I don't, I don't always set aside the time before, like I could in order to really clear my mind and allow myself to be ready to listen and connect with God. Um, so yeah, I mean, you've given me some good ideas. So I'm really excited to take I'm I'm definitely thinking about the charcuterie board idea.

Unknown: 32:39

I've been thinking about that the whole time. I didn't hear anything else. Yeah, I

Kate Boyd: 32:44

stopped listening after shark cooter. I can't lie. But thanks so much. I think these were good. I like thinking through the senses and having people. I'm curious to see what other people

Unknown: 32:55

what ideas other people get

Kate Boyd: 32:57

from, from listening. So thanks so much

Amber Brandt: 33:00

for sharing. You're welcome. You're welcome. One last thing I did want to mention, is all of this conversation, so much of our talked about has been centered around the living room. But that is one other thing to explore, you know, is there a space in your room in your whole net underutilized? Do you have a sunroom or a three season porch? Do you have weather where you can be on the patio? What if you, you know, you were able to take you know, you had your cell phones and you went to a park and you run wireless? And you know, like, maybe some of it too isn't so much about a practice as much as it is about the location? And does getting in a different physical space? Or a space that isn't otherwise tapped right now for school or whatever? Are there areas in your home or around that you could explore to because even just that change of scenery might be enough to make the whole thing feel fresh again?

Kate Boyd: 33:59

Yeah, I know, that's definitely helped me, not necessarily with the worship portion. But there was a time a few years back when I worked at home and so to have like, a designated workspace, and I could close the door and walk away. It's a lot easier to do now that I go to an office but, um, but yeah, I mean, or even like, you know, I do creative work. So going to a coffee shop every now and then to ship so it may even just be like every now and then switching it up so that it does feel fresh. Yeah, not everything has to be a ritual, you know? Well, thanks again. I really appreciated your perspective. And I'm excited to see what people do with their worship spaces.

Amber Brandt: 34:47

Me too. I'm eager to hear.

Kate Boyd: 34:50

I hope that your brain is now brimming with ideas. I know mine was. I know I was a little fixated on a charcuterie board, but that's probably just because it was dinnertime and I was hungry, but also I'm using Matt if you enjoyed this conversation, you can keep up with Amber online at the coziness consultant.com. You can also find her on Instagram and Facebook at the coziness consultant and on Twitter at amber cozy Brandt and that's br a and di T. If you're looking for more advice on how to create worship at home with your small group or as a house church, I provide reflections and resources for that very thing with the couches and cathedrals newsletter. You can learn more or sign up to get these tips and thoughts delivered to you weekly at Kate Boyd dotco slash newsletter. As always, come share your ideas, questions and takeaways with me over on Instagram. I'll see you over there at Kate Boyd co and until then,